A Brief Theodicy

A Brief Theodicy 26/03/10

Urban Philosophy contributor Nocterro offers a response to an argument from evil.


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Some time ago Mitch LeBlanc authored an article showing Tooley’s formulation of the argument from evil in Knowledge of God. This article is intended as a brief response to that argument, and I hope it will inspire further article-based discussion regarding the issues raised in both articles.

Now, one may attempt to answer this argument by objecting to (15) and arguing that there are rightmaking properties that override, or at least balance, the wrongmaking properties. One Swinburnean answer is that instances of natural evil give us an opportunity to exemplify goodness. One may object to this and claim that if this is the case, God would be justified in causing an earthquake that kills all but one person. However, if this opportunity is given to, say, 4 billion people, this would most likely balance the pain and suffering felt by the 200,000 or so; as well as be a better state of affairs than granting such an opportunity to only one individual.

Consider as well that this pain and suffering is not nearly as prolonged as one might be inclined to think at first glance; many people’s pain and suffering would be ended rather quickly by their death, and very few people normally suffer for days or weeks. So, the wrongmaking property of pain and suffering caused by the haiti earthquake is balanced by both the opportunity of 4 billion people to exemplify goodness, and the rather quick cessation via death of many of the victims.

Another issue is that perhaps God does not know with certainty how many people will die in any given natural disaster. Assuming Molinism (or something like it) is true, then the number of deaths may vary one way or the other. Consider that when the earthquake begins, many will panic. They may make rash decisions, such as a decision to run into a building for cover or dive into the water. God, in his omniscience, would know which buildings would collapse, where certain pieces of rubble would fall; however he may not know if someone will be inside a building or under a piece of rubble at time t. We could of course say that God knows the probabilities concerning what any given being X will do during the earthquake; however it seems rather obviously true that if one makes a snap decision during such an event, the probabilities of any possible actions will tend to even out, rather than be high for one possibility and low for another, as they most likely are when one makes a careful, considered decision.

But what of death itself? Surely death has wrongmaking properties as well, in that once one begins to exist, it is better to continue existing than to stop existing. Furthermore, one’s death carries a wrongmaking property in that it causes further pain and suffering for the family and friends of he who died. What rightmaking property could balance this? If we hold to the proposition:

(A) Once one begins to exist, it is a rightmaking property to continue existing rather than to cease existing, provided that existence does not become torturous or otherwise unbearable.

and also reason that God is perfectly good (via other arguments); then we may conclude that it is likely that there is some sort of afterlife.

This, I think, gives us a rather strong case for some sort of afterlife, provided we believe in a God who is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect. We can also safely assume that existing in any sort of afterlife created by God would be quite a pleasant state of affairs. This would then balance out the wrongmaking properties of the death caused by the Haiti earthquake, both because the individual who died would continue to exist, and do so in a pleasant state of affairs, and because the family and friends of the victim would be comforted in knowing he is in a “better place”.

One may object to this as well by saying that perhaps the family and friends do not know that their dearly departed loved one is in a better place; by applying an argument from divine hiddenness. A response to this however is beyond the scope of this article, and must be dealt with separately.

So, why is it morally better for us to exist here from time {t1…tn} than in heaven? I have not developed a solid answer to that question as of yet (and it is certainly an important one); however this argument from evil is inductive, and so I think that the theodicy offered above weakens the argument a bit – certainly enough to swing the probability of theism back towards the positive quite a bit. I will say however that I suspect the answer lies in some sort of personal growth we must undertake, or some lesson we need to learn in order to become better moral agents.

My final thought applies Rawls’ veil of ignorance to the problem of evil. Suppose that we are behind a “moral-societal” veil of ignorance; that is, we live in an ideal society which, due to social and technological advancement, always(or almost always) works together in an effective manner in order to produce a state of living that is the best possible state of living that we could achieve, for every member of society. What might such a society look like?

I strongly suppose that if society were to be in such a state for any extended period of time(perhaps even as little as 50 years), we would have nearly unlimited resources to fuel any sort of thing we might want to do. Fuel for transportation would not be much of a problem; it would be cheap(or even free), and abundant. Furthermore, we would have some sort of ideal global government, which always carries out its action fairly and without bias. If it were the case that we were to develop such a society, it seems that the problem of both moral and natural evil would be almost entirely eliminated. If there were a hurricane, we would know about it quite far in advance, and would be able to quickly remove people to a safe location. If an earthquake were to occur, it would not be very much of a problem for us, as our structures would be incredibly well-built.

Such a society seems, at least, logically, perfectly within our power to actualize; and it also appears to be the case that the only reason it is not is because of moral evils in the world. So, it seems that another way of answering the natural problem of evil is to reduce it to the moral problem of evil. The moral problem, historically, has had far more, and stronger, responses than the natural problem (such as Plantinga’s free will defense). I will, therefore, leave discussion of the moral problem for another time.


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  • Thrasymachus

    I don't think offering the possibility of us exercising our free will to have a wonderful society would defuse natural evil. It might greatly reduce it (we'd be much better at disaster relief, perhaps have progressed farther in the treatment of disease, and so on) but it seems pretty guaranteed that they'd still be suffering and death despite the best efforts of a saintly world. This is especially clear when we consider humanity in the past when there was much less of an ability for us to abrogate suffering – before we knew how to predict natural disasters, before we discovered vaccination or antibiotics, etc. Also, unless you think our perfect society would also involve benevolent interference with the natural world to prevent things like predation, there doesn't seem much prospect of finding an explanation of animal suffering here either.

    In short, there's going to be an excess of natural evil which couldn't be eliminated by creaturely free action – so you can't collapse natural evil into moral evil with this move. Explanations still need to be offered for this excess being non-gratuitous, otherwise Atheist can entertain the explanation for moral evil and yet assert a PoE is sound/cogent.

  • Thrasymachus

    I don't think offering the possibility of us exercising our free will to have a wonderful society would defuse natural evil. It might greatly reduce it (we'd be much better at disaster relief, perhaps have progressed farther in the treatment of disease, and so on) but it seems pretty guaranteed that they'd still be suffering and death despite the best efforts of a saintly world. This is especially clear when we consider humanity in the past when there was much less of an ability for us to abrogate suffering – before we knew how to predict natural disasters, before we discovered vaccination or antibiotics, etc. Also, unless you think our perfect society would also involve benevolent interference with the natural world to prevent things like predation, there doesn't seem much prospect of finding an explanation of animal suffering here either.

    In short, there's going to be an excess of natural evil which couldn't be eliminated by creaturely free action – so you can't collapse natural evil into moral evil with this move. Explanations still need to be offered for this excess being non-gratuitous, otherwise Atheist can entertain the explanation for moral evil and yet assert a PoE is sound/cogent.

  • http://www.choosinghats.com/ C.L. Bolt

    While it may be that instances of natural evil give us an opportunity to exemplify goodness I see no reason that an omnipotent god could not bring it about that there be no natural evil and yet still be opportunity to exemplify goodness. Your suggestion also appears to entail a type of immoral utilitarian god which undercuts a defense of its goodness.

    While considering that pain and suffering is “not nearly as prolonged as one might be inclined to think at first glance” I thought of asking someone who has been through or is going through such pain and suffering now. I do not find this a convincing line of argumentation. It is also a bit of a stretch to state that “very few people normally suffer for days or weeks”. It appears you are attempting to downplay the significance of human suffering due to natural evil and the real problem that it allegedly presents to a theistic position.

  • http://www.choosinghats.com C.L. Bolt

    While it may be that instances of natural evil give us an opportunity to exemplify goodness I see no reason that an omnipotent god could not bring it about that there be no natural evil and yet still be opportunity to exemplify goodness. Your suggestion also appears to entail a type of immoral utilitarian god which undercuts a defense of its goodness.

    While considering that pain and suffering is “not nearly as prolonged as one might be inclined to think at first glance” I thought of asking someone who has been through or is going through such pain and suffering now. I do not find this a convincing line of argumentation. It is also a bit of a stretch to state that “very few people normally suffer for days or weeks”. It appears you are attempting to downplay the significance of human suffering due to natural evil and the real problem that it allegedly presents to a theistic position.

  • http://www.choosinghats.com/ C.L. Bolt

    Even if these problems did not exist and the wrongmaking property of pain and suffering caused by the earthquake in Haiti may be “balanced” by opportunity and the swift deaths of many people I see no reason why an omnipotent god should not bring it about that there is nothing in the natural evil side of the ‘scale’. Speaking of the swift deaths of people as being a rightmaking property over against the wrongmaking properties of the quake seems a bit confused anyway. The swift deaths of many people may be better than their prolonged deaths but better still is no death at all. An omnipotent god could bring things about to prevent such horrors.

  • http://www.choosinghats.com C.L. Bolt

    Even if these problems did not exist and the wrongmaking property of pain and suffering caused by the earthquake in Haiti may be “balanced” by opportunity and the swift deaths of many people I see no reason why an omnipotent god should not bring it about that there is nothing in the natural evil side of the ‘scale’. Speaking of the swift deaths of people as being a rightmaking property over against the wrongmaking properties of the quake seems a bit confused anyway. The swift deaths of many people may be better than their prolonged deaths but better still is no death at all. An omnipotent god could bring things about to prevent such horrors.

  • http://www.choosinghats.com/ C.L. Bolt

    If a god does not know how many people will die in any given natural disaster then I find labeling such a god omniscient to be a rather suspicious move. Within Christianity this move is not called Molinism, but rather Open Theism. To ascribe a probabilistic knowledge to a supposedly omniscient god in an effort to explain complete blunders with respect to predictions of future events is also a very suspicious move. One need not ascribe even probabilistic knowledge of the future to the god if it is so often the case that the god gets it so completely wrong. I am not following how the god could have knowledge of falling pieces of rubble but not knowledge of where people might go. Even if one makes a “snap decision” and thus evens out probabilities (something I do not readily accept) an omniscient god should be able to determine this just as you do in suggesting that the probabilities will be evened out. Surely an omniscient god is even more capable than we are of positing the types of things that you have concerning more even probabilities and possible hiding places in buildings or water and should be able to recalculate accordingly.

  • http://www.choosinghats.com C.L. Bolt

    If a god does not know how many people will die in any given natural disaster then I find labeling such a god omniscient to be a rather suspicious move. Within Christianity this move is not called Molinism, but rather Open Theism. To ascribe a probabilistic knowledge to a supposedly omniscient god in an effort to explain complete blunders with respect to predictions of future events is also a very suspicious move. One need not ascribe even probabilistic knowledge of the future to the god if it is so often the case that the god gets it so completely wrong. I am not following how the god could have knowledge of falling pieces of rubble but not knowledge of where people might go. Even if one makes a “snap decision” and thus evens out probabilities (something I do not readily accept) an omniscient god should be able to determine this just as you do in suggesting that the probabilities will be evened out. Surely an omniscient god is even more capable than we are of positing the types of things that you have concerning more even probabilities and possible hiding places in buildings or water and should be able to recalculate accordingly.

  • http://www.choosinghats.com/ C.L. Bolt

    The question you pose, “So, why is it morally better for us to exist here from time {t1…tn} than in heaven?” is as you mention an important one. It is, in fact, the most important one in this discussion since your omnipotent god could have brought it about that there be no suffering. Your god, if omnipotent, could have even brought it about that there be free will and no suffering. Surely the god will do so in the afterlife you posit? Why not here? Either your god is evil, incompetent, or does not exist.

  • http://www.choosinghats.com/ C.L. Bolt

    There is also no reason for ‘safely assuming’ “that existing in any sort of afterlife created by God would be quite a pleasant state of affairs”. Who is to say that the afterlife is not exactly like life here, or perhaps even worse? Is there anything to substantiate this suggestion of a pleasant afterlife other than wishful thinking? Is it really the case that Haitians are comforted in knowing that a deceased family member is in a “better place”? How does someone without a body experience a better place anyway; from what perspective would this experience take place since the body is left right here with the living? (Note: To be fair I see you mention ‘divine hiddeness’ and leave it for another time.)

  • http://www.choosinghats.com/ C.L. Bolt

    Even granting that death has wrongmaking properties for the sake of the argument (from evil) which is predicated upon such assumptions I see no reason to assume that “it is better to continue existing than to stop existing” especially in light of suffering and pain. Even if it is “better” to continue existing than to stop existing it does not at all follow that “there is some sort of afterlife”. The claim that an afterlife is “likely” does not follow. Even the possibility of an afterlife has not been established. The suggestion is merely ad hoc the way it is presented and does not seem consistent with what we know about suffering in the world.

  • http://www.choosinghats.com/ C.L. Bolt

    An argument for the afterlife from the goodness of the god in light of the problem of evil is wholly unconvincing for it would seemingly have been better that there be no suffering at all in the first place but the omnipotent god nevertheless apparently failed in this respect. I see no reason to agree that a “strong case for some sort of afterlife” has been made at all! Again we may think it better than not for some good to obtain in this world which nevertheless does not obtain. This concern is the substance of the argument to begin with. Why should we assume that the good will obtain in this case but not in all the others?

  • http://www.choosinghats.com C.L. Bolt

    Even granting that death has wrongmaking properties for the sake of the argument (from evil) which is predicated upon such assumptions I see no reason to assume that “it is better to continue existing than to stop existing” especially in light of suffering and pain. Even if it is “better” to continue existing than to stop existing it does not at all follow that “there is some sort of afterlife”. The claim that an afterlife is “likely” does not follow. Even the possibility of an afterlife has not been established. The suggestion is merely ad hoc the way it is presented and does not seem consistent with what we know about suffering in the world.

  • http://www.choosinghats.com C.L. Bolt

    An argument for the afterlife from the goodness of the god in light of the problem of evil is wholly unconvincing for it would seemingly have been better that there be no suffering at all in the first place but the omnipotent god nevertheless apparently failed in this respect. I see no reason to agree that a “strong case for some sort of afterlife” has been made at all! Again we may think it better than not for some good to obtain in this world which nevertheless does not obtain. This concern is the substance of the argument to begin with. Why should we assume that the good will obtain in this case but not in all the others?

  • http://www.choosinghats.com C.L. Bolt

    There is also no reason for ‘safely assuming’ “that existing in any sort of afterlife created by God would be quite a pleasant state of affairs”. Who is to say that the afterlife is not exactly like life here, or perhaps even worse? Is there anything to substantiate this suggestion of a pleasant afterlife other than wishful thinking? Is it really the case that Haitians are comforted in knowing that a deceased family member is in a “better place”? How does someone without a body experience a better place anyway; from what perspective would this experience take place since the body is left right here with the living? (Note: To be fair I see you mention ‘divine hiddeness’ and leave it for another time.)

  • http://www.choosinghats.com C.L. Bolt

    The question you pose, “So, why is it morally better for us to exist here from time {t1…tn} than in heaven?” is as you mention an important one. It is, in fact, the most important one in this discussion since your omnipotent god could have brought it about that there be no suffering. Your god, if omnipotent, could have even brought it about that there be free will and no suffering. Surely the god will do so in the afterlife you posit? Why not here? Either your god is evil, incompetent, or does not exist.

  • http://www.choosinghats.com/ C.L. Bolt

    Sorry for all the posts. Obviously I should have done this a different way. ;)

  • http://www.choosinghats.com C.L. Bolt

    Sorry for all the posts. Obviously I should have done this a different way. ;)

  • Nocterro

    You're right..I'm an atheist again! :P

    I will address this tomorrow.

  • Nocterro

    You're right..I'm an atheist again! :P

    I will address this tomorrow.

  • Fishpasta

    “Once one begins to exist, it is a rightmaking property to continue existing rather than to cease existing, provided that existence does not become torturous or otherwise unbearable.”

    What in the world? Who the heck wants to live forever?

  • Fishpasta

    “Once one begins to exist, it is a rightmaking property to continue existing rather than to cease existing, provided that existence does not become torturous or otherwise unbearable.”

    What in the world? Who the heck wants to live forever?

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