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		<title>By: sant maskeen singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sant maskeen singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;sant maskeen singh...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Daniel N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The premise #2 is false. It&#039;s not even false, it&#039;s impossible to know. It&#039;s a wrong assumption that if most people share same set of moral beliefs, those beliefs are objective.

And it&#039;s quite easy to show that moral beliefs common to people are contradictory.</description>
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<p>And it&#8217;s quite easy to show that moral beliefs common to people are contradictory.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Flores7777</title>
		<link>http://urbanphilosophy.net/religion/objective-morality-and-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-10489</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Flores7777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 00:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The points make sense... But that is only to our own wisdom and knowledge.  There are things in this life that are better unknown.  God as the bible says is sovereign, we are sovereign as well but only as God allows. As in if we wanted to do something and we get success, it&#039;s not because you are such a badass but because either:

A. God gave you the skills to do that action.
B. God allowed the action to be successful and a good consequence came of it.

(Example A doesn&#039;t always happen because even if you possessed the skill to do a successful action, it was God alone who&#039;s capable of blessing the action.)


  When you read the 10 commandments and analyze them the first 4 are in regards as to how loyal you are to God, and the last 6 pertain to your loyalty to other human beings.  Jesus fulfills the commandments by saying &quot;love God with all your heart, might and soul, and love your neighbor as your self.&quot;  But as I was saying God is sovereign and the laws he placed on us do not affect them because 1. He created the law 2. He created us and everything in existence.  The reason God breaks his own laws is because he has too.  When he destroys an entire city through war or a straight up miracle is because its either:

 A. Beneficial to the person,place or thing the actions are being used on.
 B. Beneficial to someone else or something else.
C. Beneficial to Society in General
D. Beneficial to the entire Creation as a whole

There is one example of God knowing that what He did was wrong in his eyes. The bible says that after God had sent the flood he had repented of what he did.  Hence the rainbow and the promise to never completely flood the earth again.  But I don&#039;t believe that he repented of killing 99% of the human population for the sake of the evil they committed against Him and his creation.  But I think He repented of the way he did it which was by flood. 

In the bible most of the reasons and entire city or society was destroyed was for there rebellion against God and his people.  In Genesis Canaanite cities were destroyed because of their rebellion against God in the most fruitful land in the desert and God was willing to destroy those cities because of the promise he gave to the patriarchs because of Abraham&#039;s willingness to obey God.

God has the right to create and destroy anything and everything in His creation.  Just as you have the right to destroy your T.V. because you paid for it.  

But there is one thing God cannot do and that is LIE.  Lying is one of the best examples of morality based on reality.  Like lying to your boss so you won&#039;t get in trouble.

God cannot lie because what worth is it to worship a liar who makes promises.

So objective morals can only rightfully pertain to God and as to us we can pertain to absolute morality.  Not only that the reason God doesn&#039;t want us to sin is because breaking one commandment will lead to breaking more of them.  Such as coveting can lead to stealing, and stealing could lead to lying and lying could lead you to be being killed by the person who you committed the said actions against.  That can&#039;t happen with God because God cannot sin as sin is breaking the commandments that God gave to humans, and since God is the first and the last as in being the first conscience entity in existence and being the everlasting spirit he is makes him eternal for ever.  So that being said no one was there before God to give Him commandments to follow so he can follow his own perfect morality.  God has a moral code but it is his own and he can do as he pleases.  But another thing God does not do is change so we will never get an excuse for our sins and God will never change his moral code because He is sovereign and all-mighty.

If you want the best morality to live by it is the morality of Jesus Christ who is God in the flesh.  You want the perfect example of how God wants us to live, then pray for forgiveness, repent of your sins, read your bible and live your life as Jesus did in the bible.  Think about it this way God the father is all spirit so the commandments do not affect him, but Jesus is God in the sinful flesh of a human body as in he felt the same pain and struggles we did but he lived a life that was sinless and never broke a commandment especially knowing that he had the power of God the father.

Turn to Jesus Christ the one REAL person in your life who you have never met but loved you enough to die on the cross because we sin.  God loves you soo much and does not want you to perish because you follow your own moral code.  Turn to Jesus who will give you the strength to avoid breaking the commandments he gave you.  So you can have perfect everlasting life with the God who created you.


God bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The points make sense&#8230; But that is only to our own wisdom and knowledge.  There are things in this life that are better unknown.  God as the bible says is sovereign, we are sovereign as well but only as God allows. As in if we wanted to do something and we get success, it&#8217;s not because you are such a badass but because either:</p>
<p>A. God gave you the skills to do that action.<br />
B. God allowed the action to be successful and a good consequence came of it.</p>
<p>(Example A doesn&#8217;t always happen because even if you possessed the skill to do a successful action, it was God alone who&#8217;s capable of blessing the action.)</p>
<p>  When you read the 10 commandments and analyze them the first 4 are in regards as to how loyal you are to God, and the last 6 pertain to your loyalty to other human beings.  Jesus fulfills the commandments by saying &#8220;love God with all your heart, might and soul, and love your neighbor as your self.&#8221;  But as I was saying God is sovereign and the laws he placed on us do not affect them because 1. He created the law 2. He created us and everything in existence.  The reason God breaks his own laws is because he has too.  When he destroys an entire city through war or a straight up miracle is because its either:</p>
<p> A. Beneficial to the person,place or thing the actions are being used on.<br />
 B. Beneficial to someone else or something else.<br />
C. Beneficial to Society in General<br />
D. Beneficial to the entire Creation as a whole</p>
<p>There is one example of God knowing that what He did was wrong in his eyes. The bible says that after God had sent the flood he had repented of what he did.  Hence the rainbow and the promise to never completely flood the earth again.  But I don&#8217;t believe that he repented of killing 99% of the human population for the sake of the evil they committed against Him and his creation.  But I think He repented of the way he did it which was by flood. </p>
<p>In the bible most of the reasons and entire city or society was destroyed was for there rebellion against God and his people.  In Genesis Canaanite cities were destroyed because of their rebellion against God in the most fruitful land in the desert and God was willing to destroy those cities because of the promise he gave to the patriarchs because of Abraham&#8217;s willingness to obey God.</p>
<p>God has the right to create and destroy anything and everything in His creation.  Just as you have the right to destroy your T.V. because you paid for it.  </p>
<p>But there is one thing God cannot do and that is LIE.  Lying is one of the best examples of morality based on reality.  Like lying to your boss so you won&#8217;t get in trouble.</p>
<p>God cannot lie because what worth is it to worship a liar who makes promises.</p>
<p>So objective morals can only rightfully pertain to God and as to us we can pertain to absolute morality.  Not only that the reason God doesn&#8217;t want us to sin is because breaking one commandment will lead to breaking more of them.  Such as coveting can lead to stealing, and stealing could lead to lying and lying could lead you to be being killed by the person who you committed the said actions against.  That can&#8217;t happen with God because God cannot sin as sin is breaking the commandments that God gave to humans, and since God is the first and the last as in being the first conscience entity in existence and being the everlasting spirit he is makes him eternal for ever.  So that being said no one was there before God to give Him commandments to follow so he can follow his own perfect morality.  God has a moral code but it is his own and he can do as he pleases.  But another thing God does not do is change so we will never get an excuse for our sins and God will never change his moral code because He is sovereign and all-mighty.</p>
<p>If you want the best morality to live by it is the morality of Jesus Christ who is God in the flesh.  You want the perfect example of how God wants us to live, then pray for forgiveness, repent of your sins, read your bible and live your life as Jesus did in the bible.  Think about it this way God the father is all spirit so the commandments do not affect him, but Jesus is God in the sinful flesh of a human body as in he felt the same pain and struggles we did but he lived a life that was sinless and never broke a commandment especially knowing that he had the power of God the father.</p>
<p>Turn to Jesus Christ the one REAL person in your life who you have never met but loved you enough to die on the cross because we sin.  God loves you soo much and does not want you to perish because you follow your own moral code.  Turn to Jesus who will give you the strength to avoid breaking the commandments he gave you.  So you can have perfect everlasting life with the God who created you.</p>
<p>God bless</p>
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		<title>By: Bravus &#187; A Little Philosophy Around God, morality and the Bible</title>
		<link>http://urbanphilosophy.net/religion/objective-morality-and-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-10439</link>
		<dc:creator>Bravus &#187; A Little Philosophy Around God, morality and the Bible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 23:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are a couple of the earlier pieces mentioned in that piece: http://urbanphilosophy.net/religion/objective-morality-and-the-bible/, http://urbanphilosophy.net/religion/response-to-fedora-on-objective-morality-and-the-bible/, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are a couple of the earlier pieces mentioned in that piece: <a href="http://urbanphilosophy.net/religion/objective-morality-and-the-bible/" rel="nofollow">http://urbanphilosophy.net/religion/objective-morality-and-the-bible/</a>, <a href="http://urbanphilosophy.net/religion/response-to-fedora-on-objective-morality-and-the-bible/" rel="nofollow">http://urbanphilosophy.net/religion/response-to-fedora-on-objective-morality-and-the-bible/</a>, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Response to Fedora on Objective Morality and the Bible &#124; Urban Philosophy</title>
		<link>http://urbanphilosophy.net/religion/objective-morality-and-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-1320</link>
		<dc:creator>Response to Fedora on Objective Morality and the Bible &#124; Urban Philosophy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Objective Morality and the BibleNon-Theistic Objective MoralityInductive Reasoning and the Christian God [...]</description>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
		<link>http://urbanphilosophy.net/religion/objective-morality-and-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-1317</link>
		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t understand absolutes. I never can understand what is meant when people claim god is omnipotent etc. What does it mean to be a &quot;perfectly moral being&quot;? I&#039;ve no clue. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#39;t understand absolutes. I never can understand what is meant when people claim god is omnipotent etc. What does it mean to be a &quot;perfectly moral being&quot;? I&#39;ve no clue.</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
		<link>http://urbanphilosophy.net/religion/objective-morality-and-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-10288</link>
		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t understand absolutes. I never can understand what is meant when people claim god is omnipotent etc. What does it mean to be a &quot;perfectly moral being&quot;? I&#039;ve no clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#039;t understand absolutes. I never can understand what is meant when people claim god is omnipotent etc. What does it mean to be a &quot;perfectly moral being&quot;? I&#039;ve no clue.</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
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		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 06:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parents do not create their children, they give birth to them but are not their makers. DNA does as it pleases with us and has the right to do so. That is Dawkins&#039; selfish gene in a nutshell. DNA is amoral, just like God. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parents do not create their children, they give birth to them but are not their makers. DNA does as it pleases with us and has the right to do so. That is Dawkins&#039; selfish gene in a nutshell. DNA is amoral, just like God.</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
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		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 06:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parents do not create their children, they give birth to them but are not their makers. DNA does as it pleases with us and has the right to do so. That is Dawkins&#039; selfish gene in a nutshell. DNA is amoral, just like God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parents do not create their children, they give birth to them but are not their makers. DNA does as it pleases with us and has the right to do so. That is Dawkins&#039; selfish gene in a nutshell. DNA is amoral, just like God.</p>
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		<title>By: Fedora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fedora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said Jesus did anything wrong. It is, to my understanding after many discussions with theists, the case that Jesus was crucified to &quot;pay for,&quot; so to speak, the sins of Human beings.  
 
I have never met a Christian who said that God is not infinitely loving.  
 
And, many do maintain the genesis story is a metaphor, this is the case for theistic evolutionists, etc. etc. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said Jesus did anything wrong. It is, to my understanding after many discussions with theists, the case that Jesus was crucified to &quot;pay for,&quot; so to speak, the sins of Human beings.  </p>
<p>I have never met a Christian who said that God is not infinitely loving.  </p>
<p>And, many do maintain the genesis story is a metaphor, this is the case for theistic evolutionists, etc. etc.</p>
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